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Crixcyon's avatar

Pie in the sky marketing. This is one reason I have stopped taking all supplements. And stopped listening to the health gurus. Find me one that is at least 90 years old (in real good health) and has done all these "healthy practices" for 50 or 60 years. Without spending tons on supplements, I can take an extra week's vacation every year. A far more healthier endeavor.

Most of this stuff is chemical concoctions having nothing to do with the real thing, if even that exists. Hundreds of years ago, people survived without all this extra crap. Maybe the foods were different but how much different? I don't believe in germ theory, viruses, vitamins, minerals, supplements, the genome, DNA, drugs, vaccines and medical science.

The gut biome seems applicable to healthy living, but everyone's is a bit different. I am so sick of being marketed to death by greedy fools and leeches.

Lucas Nascario's avatar

The "take no supplements" philosophy depends. The correct supplements are great for optimization. For instance since not everyone can get enough sunlight, I take cod liver oil instead of the D3 hormone.

Bigquacker's avatar

Remnant.

Blasted through the dossier.

Blows my mind how 90% of benefits of peps can be achieved from improving sleep and sunlight 💀

Remaining question though.

Why is supplemental melatonin associated with negative warnings around safety and long term use? Would there be a mechanism of bad action you can think of?

Crixcyon's avatar

I would suggest eliminating as many toxins from your body and environment as you can. Limit your exposure and the body can then do its magic...at any age.

Lucas Nascario's avatar

One would ideally be optimizing their sleep, sunlight and diet prior to using peptides. But the best case scenario is being open to anything that can help without risk - in this case, BPC is good for certain rather inhibiting injuries.

I've taken BPC before, it's harmless.

Remnant | MD's avatar

Yes and of course the follow up question would be, made by whom and which batch?

Quality control is a major issue.

I just blast things with INR and let the body handle melatonin producing and vasoactive response. Don’t have to buy or take a foreign substance.

Lucas Nascario's avatar

The oral bpc made by infiniwell wouldn't hurt anyone, I used to buy that stuff every time it was on sale and my success rate with minor injuries is so far, 100%. Don't have to worry about injecting contaminated batches, etc.

Remnant | MD's avatar

Of course, there are several ways to think about it melatonins overuse. But, again we need not take supplemental melatonin when we know the body, guts and mitochondria make it under the right conditions. So I am an advocate of promoting its production, not taking it orally over extended periods of high, or anywhere near the dosage it’s taken.

Lucas Nascario's avatar

Glad you mentioned that about melatonin - the supplement is always overdosed.

Lucas Nascario's avatar

BPC is relatively harmless unless you take too much for too long, which there would be no point and no reasonable person would do that. Melatonin on the other hand can be fairly dangerous.

Remnant | MD's avatar

Same reasoning applies to melatonin, and you don’t have to take oral melatonin, you can simply promote its production in your gut and anywhere else it’s made.

Lucas Nascario's avatar

Fair enough in the case of melatonin, yes I agree 100%. But BPC is awesome in the case of minor (and sometimes, major) injuries, particularly for blood vessels. It's also impressively anti-inflammatory. It also has never been linked to the propagation of cancer cells, which pharma wants people to believe with zero evidence.

I once had a terrible case of hemmoroids that was so bad, that I was completely blocked off from bowel movements. The sitz bath wasn't enough at the time, so I decided to take some BPC I had lying around, which was risky because theoretically, I was told it would likely just make them worse - but of course, the exact opposite happened. I was then able to have a bowel movement - only because of the BPC. I have other stories too, like a foot injury that BPC miraculously healed. I've used it many times, it's again fairly harmless and there are even injury cases where one would have to literally be stupid not to be willing to try it.

Pharma attacks peptides for the same reasons they attack compounding pharmacies. They hate anything they cannot patent, and they hate anything that LACKS the potential for very serious side effects. The last thing any serious person does is worry about peptides, they're essentially an intervention from God himself.

Remnant | MD's avatar

Well it’s strange to make this claim about BPC, since it only exists as a patented sequence from a pharma company.

But in any case, I also have several documented cases of severe intestinal issues solved if not cured by melatonin, both oral and that promoted by infrared light.

I am a strong advocate of people doing what works for them, but also knowing what they are being sold.

Lucas Nascario's avatar

It was first used in the 40's. Yes pharma patents most if not all of these (which doesn't matter in this case); but clearly, they don't like it nowadays, because the people who use it are healthier (and smarter, if I'm honest) than the people that take their garbage. Pharma has their agents all over YouTube (and Substack) attempting to steer people away from all kinds of relatively harmless compounded medications, including ivermectin. It's another infiltration method they use.

Melatonin can be safely micro-dosed, and my research and experience reveals the common supplements to be overdosed. But yes, at that point you are better off just optimizing your body's natural production, many ways to do that.

I'm glad we agree on red light therapy. The key to getting that to work, is the right exposure length. (As you well know).

Remnant | MD's avatar

Can you link what was used in the 40s? I’m curious